Leaking Window Repair Update

I thought I would repost this and bring things up to date. In recent weeks, the windows that were repaired previously began leaking even worse than before we had the work done. I decided to fall back on the old saying, "If you want something done right, you need to do it yourself." So here is the history and an update of what we have done to make it right.

 A common issue with the Marine Trader is leaky windows. The previous owner of Beach House had the aft cabin windows removed, as well as the interior wood inside the cabin above the berths. New interior wood was installed, and the old windows and exterior frames were put back in place. But for some odd reason, the windows went back in and the exterior frames had a gap of at least a half inch between the frame and the window that was at least a half inch deep. A perfect water catcher and retainer.

We did a temporary repair early on because we knew we would be relocating the boat and we just did not want to deal with water leaks. We used Sikaflex caulking to fill in the space and seal everything. This worked for quite a while. This spring we decided that we needed a more permanent solution, but our work schedules really limit the time we have to work on these projects. There is a woodworker on site at Oak Harbor Marina where we are docked and after some recommendations from other boaters, we had him look at the frames and give us an estimate. He felt the repairs should be fairly simple, but this is after all a boat. We wanted the frames removed and a filler piece of teak epoxied onto the frames to fill the gap and to be sanded and formed to match the curves of the frames.

The removal process is always the most difficult part because you just never know if things will come apart in one piece of hundreds of pieces. We were prepared to build new frames if the old ones did not survive the removal process. The most time consuming part was removing the Sikaflex filler we so generously used for the temporary repair. Once this was accomplished, the wood frames came off fairly easily and, with one exception, in one piece. The aft facing frame did come off in four pieces, but none were broken so reconstructing them was not a big deal. The filler pieces were epoxied into place and fitted to both the frame and the gap between the windows. After dry-fitting showed everything looked good, it was time to re-install them.

One big concern was that by removing all three frames, we left open the possibility that we would have a leak somewhere that we did not have before. (That is exactly what happened.) The big question was, what would we use to seal the glass, fiberglass and wood that would be compatible with all three and allow for the difference in expansion and contraction between three different surfaces. Longevity was also an important consideration. From past experience doing lots of these projects on Sea Trek, we felt comfortable using Dow Corning 795 Construction Sealant to re-bed everything. We have never had anything leak that we have used this product on and that included, glass, Plexiglas, metal, wood, fiberglass and just about anything else. We also know that the black is UV resistant but the white is not, so black it was. The not so secret part of this is to be sure to use LOTS of sealant. It needs to fill every space and ooze out from every edge. Taping around the wood and cabin sides with blue tape also makes the clean up easier and gives a good finished edge.

The results looked great, however, as fate would have it, after everything had cured and we did a test with a water hose for leaks, we did find a couple of small leaks at both side windows. There must have been some spots where the sealant missed, and it does not take much. The tech was right back over to the boat, removed the frame, cleaned everything up and re-installed it with lots and lots of sealant. Just a few weeks later, we had a rain storm and both side windows leaked, and the leaks were worse than they had been prior to the repairs. We discussed this with the fellow that did the work and his response was, "gee, I don't know how that could have happened."

This time, I decided I would get this done right, do it myself, and never have to deal with it again. So once again, the outer frames were removed and inspection showed that indeed enough sealant had not been used to fill all of the openings behind the frames. I instructed the tech to NOT just caulk the edges of the frames, but to fill the space entirely between the glass and the frame. Well, even after doing it twice, he only caulked around the edges of the frames, leaving large gaps not bedded. I decide at that point, I would redo the entire area around the windows so no matter what happened with the sealant, these windows would never leak again.

Once the frame was off, all of the old bedding compounds needed to be removed, and the area around the windows had to be thoroughly cleaned, sanded and prepped. This took a lot of scraping and digging, since the integrity of the repair depended on the surface being free of old sealants. This left an uneven gap around the opening that exposed the inner core material and would allow water to enter the boat through the core should it leak. This would not do. The glass also had to be removed and,of course, it broke during the process.

The next step was to tape off around the exterior opening and the interior frame. I intentionally left the interior frame in place to be part of the improved repair. The gap between the outer fiberglass and the interior wood was filled in and leveled using West System Six10, a relatively new product from West System. It is designed to fill gaps and be fast-setting. It is a thickened epoxy that comes in a tube and mixes itself as it passes through the mixer tip. It is thick enough that it will not run into gaps and will allow you to tool the material to a smooth, even surface. It has a working time of about 42 minutes, and once it starts to kick, it sets quickly. It is easy to work with using a standard caulking gun. The only disappointment is that at over $20.00 per tube, the tube is only half full, so it does not go a long way. It took three tubes for each window. Once the Six10 had set up, the surface had to be washed down with plain water and a 3M pad. West System of any type will leave an amine blush on the surface after it dries and nothing will stick to it if the blush is not removed. No solvent will take it off, but plain water will. Next, the surfaces received a complete sanding using 60 grit sandpaper and using my new Fein Multimaster

tool. I really like this tool and it made this entire job much easier.

After the water wipe down and drying, my next step was to add a two inch strip of fiberglass cloth to cover both the inside edges of the interior frame, where the glass will attach, and the edges of the opening that had been filled with West System. We used West System epoxy for this also, wetting down the area the cloth would cover, then wetting down the cloth itself with epoxy. After carefully placing the cloth, it was smoothed out and any air worked out from underneath. The cloth would provide an additional barrier to water and would also keep the inner wood, the core material and the outer fiberglass from separating. The cloth effectively added a fiberglass edge around the inside frame to which the window would be attached.

Once again, after the epoxy had set for 24 hours, the washing and sanding process was done all over. This time to assure bonding of the bedding compound. The new windows were made at a local glass shop, using templates I made from heavy cardboard. A test fit showed they were perfect. The glass company also gave me small strips of a soft vinyl material to place around the glass to cushion it and to give me proper spacing. We gave a lot of consideration to what we would use to bed the glass itself. The general consensus from all of the glass companies was to use a marine grade silicone. So we decided to use a brand name and settled on 3M clear silicone. The silicone was placed around the edges of the glass and then the outside frames were screwed into place to hold the glass until the silicone could dry.

The silicone on the glass was allowed to dry for 24 hours and then the outer frame was removed. An inspection showed that the glass was solidly in place and completely sealed, not allowing any way for water to get to the inside. At this point, we wanted the window to be completely leak free and totally waterproof, even if we did not install the outer frame. A test with the hose proved we had accomplished just that. The next step was to re-bed and install the outer frame.

Once again, Dow 795 Sealant was used for the final bedding. The window itself and the outside cabin sides were taped with easy release blue tape to make clean up easier and to keep the finished edges looking professional. We finished this step as if the outer frame still had to hold out moisture. The space between the window and the outer frame was filled with sealant so that once the outer frame was screwed back in place, the sealant oozed out of every possible edge. Although this was not necessary, it was added insurance and made us feel certain that this would never be a problem again. Finally, the screw holes were plugged and the frames sanded so that the proper coats of Cetol could be brushed on, and our repairs were finally completed.

We have had a couple of really hard rains in afternoon thunderstorms with no leaks. Ultimately, time will tell if our repairs will meet our expectations. But we believe this is one issue that will not rear its ugly head again. Unfortunately, we have spent a fair amount of money to have the repairs done by someone else and the chance of getting any of it back is slim. I suppose the lesson is, we should do the work ourselves even if it means taking longer to get it done and giving up our weekends. Now to move on to the next project...

Cooking Aboard – Tips Tricks and Recipes by Susan

You would think after living aboard for 18 years, I would know all of the tricks to cooking aboard. I only know what worked for us, and maybe some of my ideas and tips will work for you, too.

   

We started out on a 40 foot sailboat with a large galley and a lot of storage. Whether you are planning for a long trip of many months or a week on the river or bay, you will need to buy provisions for the boat. We have done both kinds of trips.

  

For long trips, I cram every space available with items of food. After our first trip through the Bahamas, I realized we didn’t eat any differently, really, than we did at home. Those cans of asparagus wound up being taken to a potluck in Exuma Land and Sea Park after being in a locker for 6 months. I would like to tell you that we ate healthy every day – beans, rice, fresh greens – but we didn’t. I have a spouse who eats only potatoes, meats/fish and a few isolated vegetables. We ate healthier than we would have at home without access to processed foods, but still pretty much ate the same. I say all of that to say, don’t stock up on things you think you might eat. It is a waste of money and space. Unless you plan on overhauling your diet – many of us probably should – buy what you know you will eat.

  

The next consideration is storage of the food. You do not want to bring cardboard on to your boat. It may look innocent enough now, but critters lay their eggs in cardboard and in no time, you will have them on board. You should also bring items such as soda and beer on board separately after you have isolated it from the cardboard case boxes and looked around each six-pack for critters hiding between the cans. It is easier to do that than chasing them around the boat at 3 a.m. (Do I sound like I’m speaking from personal experience? I am!)

A second and more important factor is that you will need to dispose of that cardboard at some point when it may not convenient. Do it at the dock when you can take it to the recycling center. If you need directions off of the box, cut off just that small section, and put the contents and the little piece of cardboard in a sealable plastic bag or plastic jar with a lid. (If using a jar, place a bay leaf in the jar and plastic wrap around the top of the jar to seal it and keep out bugs.)

With regard to cans, mark what they contain with a permanent marker on the top of the can, and then stack them neatly in crates or cupboards. You will be able to see what they are from the top, and, if the label comes off for whatever reason, you won’t have to guess what is inside.

Those green bags for storing veggies and fruit really do work, either in the fridge or somewhere cool on the boat. They increase the life of the food three- or four-fold. Hanging bags for breads, snacks and cookies are also very handy to keep that delicate stuff from getting flattened when your boat is heeling or rolling. When you put meat in the freezer, wrap portions separately in plastic wrap first, then put like meats in a large resealable bag to help keep them from getting freezer burnt. Layer your freezer with what you plan to use first on the top.

Now comes the cooking part. Unless you have a ton of storage, and endless amounts of power, you will want to leave those crock pots, bread makers, blenders, etc., in your storage locker or give them to friends. They take up a bunch of room and use more power than you will likely want to spare. Substitute them with a pressure cooker, some good bread pans and a small hand operated chopper.

One of my favorite cooking tools aboard is the grill mounted to the stern rail. There isn’t one piece of meat that doesn’t taste better cooked on the grill. It is also handy for grilling veggies. On hot days when you don’t want to heat up the boat, put your whole dinner in some lightly greased foil with some liquid, fold it up and grill it on the lowest setting. Usually, I separate the meat from the veggies. Use herbs, butter, cooking wine - whatever will enhance the foods’ flavor.

We have always had a microwave on board, but only use it for heating up leftovers (2-3 minutes tops), baked potatoes, quick steaming veggies and that occasional bag of popcorn. After roasting everyone inside the boat while cooking in the oven, we found that many things can be cooked on top of the stove. My more pressing reason for doing that now, since we live on a 34-foot trawler with much less storage space, is that the oven is used for storing roasting pans, muffin tins, etc. and all of the “stuff” has to go somewhere while I’m cooking in the oven. Many things can be cooked top side. I now make roasts in large pans on top of the stove, putting the burner on the lowest setting possible. Things that need to be baked for 20-30 minutes in the oven can be cooked in a frying pan with a lid for 10-15 minutes on top of the stove. The boats heats up less, you use less fuel/propane and they are done more quickly. Pressure cookers do the same thing a crock pot does much more quickly.

I haven’t tried baking bread on the stove top, so that may be the exception. I know that there are pressure cooker bread recipes, however. On the subject of bread, I acquired a starter years ago and have been baking our bread ever since. This frees you up if you want to be out for long stretches and can’t live without bread. Bread is also the best ice-breaker on the planet. You will make fast friends if you show up at a potluck with fresh baked bread or give a loaf as a thank you.

Jumping back to storage for a minute, you do not need to refrigerate ketchup, mustard, many salad dressings, soy sauce, etc. It takes up too much room in your fridge and really doesn’t need it. Those same sauces are also a nice touch to have to vary the flavor of your meals. There are many marinades on the market that can give you a garlic lime accent, teriyaki and every kind of barbeque sauce imaginable.

Don’t forget treats. Hide something yummy in a cupboard on board to find when the crew needs a morale booster. A bag of snack size candy bars will raise spirits when it has been raining for three days. If the weather is chilly and you purposely want to heat up the boat, stash brownie mix on board so you can bake some while out on the hook. Nothing will cheer up your crew like the smell of brownies baking.

Cooking tips and tricks definitely are needed on a boat. You don’t have the room and power you have in a house, but you can still cook and make enjoyable meals.

Banana Chocolate Chip Muffins

These muffins are to die for. I don’t know that I’ve ever met anyone that didn’t like them.
Preheat oven to 350 degrees, line muffin tin with 12 paper baking cups:
¼ cup melted butter
1 cup sugar, ½ white, ½ brown
Cream butter in sugar in a bowl

Add 1 beaten egg, 2 very ripe bananas and 2 teaspoons of cider vinegar.
Add 1 cup of self-rising flour or 1 cup regular flour and ½ teaspoon of baking soda and 1/8 teaspoon of salt. I also frequently substitute ½ cup of white flour for whole wheat, which gives the muffins a nice texture.
Finally, add 1/2 cup of semi-sweet chocolate chips to the batter.

Pour into mixture into muffin baking cups and bake for 15-20 or until tops begin to brown. Let cool a bit before attempting to pull the paper off of the muffins, if you can stand to wait!The batter is so good, you may not wind up with 12 muffins.

Maryland Crab Soup

1-12 ounce can beef broth
1-8 ounce can tomato sauce
2 cups mixed vegetables and potatoes
8 ounces of crab meat
1 Tablespoon Worcestershire sauce
2 Tablespoons Old Bay or more to taste

Pour a 14 ounce can of beef broth in a large saucepan or use same amount of water and 2 bullion cubes. Add frozen mixed vegetables or chopped fresh. As the veggies start to become tender, add the remaining ingredients. Simmer for another 15 to 20 minutes and serve hot. 

This easy recipe can be made with fresh ingredients or with all canned if you haven’t been to a store for awhile. Either way, it will taste great. Serve it with whole grain bread and butter, and it is a complete meal for 2. You will also have a bowl leftover for lunch the next day.

Savory Shrimp

1 pound of peeled and de-veined shrimp
2 Tablespoons butter
2 Tablespoons olive oil
2 Tablespoons key lime juice
2 Tablespoons barbecue sauce
¼ teaspoon paprika
¼ teaspoon crushed red pepper
½ teaspoon minced garlic
1 bay leaf
1 spring fresh rosemary

Add all ingredients except shrimp to a large saucepan and simmer. When it starts to bubble, add the shrimp and cook until just cooked. These shrimp have a nice kick to them and taste great served over a bed of brown rice with a salad on the side. You should have enough leftover for one portion. I love leftovers. It saves having to cook another entire meal each day. Save the crab soup and shrimp leftovers and flip a coin to see who gets what!

Cooking on a boat does not always have to be like camping out. Enjoy.

Coming Soon

Wow, I just looked at the blog and realized that we have not made any new postings for a month. That has to be a record for us, but not one we are proud of. We have a large project we are finishing and will post it, as well as an interesting post on several smaller projects. We are trying to get the boat work done and update all six Editions of the Waterway Guide, so the web site has suffered. Add to that, the occasional house sitting job we have done and time really flies. I hate when we are in our working and filling the cruising kitty mode. As much as I complain while working on the boat, it sure beats sitting in an office all day. The down side of not sitting in an office all day is, the money goes out and out and out, but seldom comes in. We have had some magazine articles published in Good Old Boat, Sail Magazine, MarinaLife Magazine, and Susan did a cooking piece for Nor' Easter. Just writing about all of that made me feel tired. We will get some new stuff on the site this weekend. Thanks for everyones patience and don't give up on us.